Elder Scrolls Forum: Hogithum Hall II

In the complete absence of reliable evidence, I beg this Court to disregard the notion that Vehk has proposed, towhit: his apotheosis was both foretold and therefore sanctioned by the Chimeri prophet Veloth.

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...please explain clearly how you can describe the apotheoses of Ayem and Seht as having taken place *earlier* than your own.

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The account of Vivec's birth in this our new world is well known, and therefore this is answered. This son of a netchiman's wife would only say here, however, that proposing to this court that he had always been is not the same thing as saying he had no beginning.

Yet, I challenge within this the subtle implication that you were a younger and, by extension, a more innocent party than your triune co-conspirers, whether as mortals or immortals.

Is this, in fact, something you hope to persuade the Court to accept? Or should we rather disregard that implication as unintended?

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In a parallel Time [the Good Daedra] were the sole divine stewards of the Chimer. In the Time that healed itself to fit your new god-images, they were reduced to mere 'anticipations' of the divine stewards of the Dunmer.

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We shall never know what may have eventually occurred in the world before now, so I am not sure how to defend myself against this implication.

No indeed, nor shall we know whether the three guardian daedra of the Chimer were sufficient to their role, since that role was peremptorily denied them by your actions. Correct?

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The Chimer themselves became a people accordingly tainted by the very crime that sundered the Time of their own fore-images and reforged them as the unwitting inheritors of the Dunmeri curse.
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What do you say to this?

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I say nothing to this as it stands, for I do not agree with the question. A non-event at an unravelled place qualifies as a conundrum, but not a crime.

Vehk, this was not a non-event. You cannot decide, since the event took place across two parallels of Mundus, one of which no-longer exists, that it can be dismissed as never having happened.

In steps then...

Following treason and the breaking of a sacred oath, you stole a bridge to godhood.

The Chimer people were transformed into the Dunmer as a result of the actions of you and your confederates as mortals.

By owning the Dunmer people into existence, to replace the Chimer who were bound to the gods you surplanted, you brought upon these innocents the curse of your mortal actions.

Is *this* a fair assessment or no?

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Tell us then what new needs of the Chimer sanctioned their transformation into the Dunmer, the replacement of the most key figures of their pantheon and the desolation of their homeland into an ashen wasteland.

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To answer in reverse: The land of Veloth was as ash before the Temple.

Nonsense. Red Mountain did not erupt in this timeline until the Heart of Lorkhan was disturbed through your meddling in 1E668.

*Nods in thanks to Xanathar who passes him an old manuscript.*

I introduce into evidence before this court, an excerpt from the Pocket Guide to the Empire: Morrowind;

"The vast Volcano of Tamriel, this giant mountain dominates the north of Morrowind. It is a small continent all to itself, riven from the rest of Morrowind by the remains of a colossal crater. On a clear day (an exceedingly rare event), the peak can be seen from Almalexia, 250 miles to the south. At the time of the Nord Conquest, a Dwarven kingdom flourished in the north of Morrowind, the region now covered by the Vvardenfell volcano. Indeed, this vanished realm gave its name to the mighty volcano that obliterated it - Vvardenfell is a Dwarven word meaning "City of the Strong Shield".

It is not known whether the Dwarves of Vvardenfell were destroyed by the first eruption of the volcano, or whether they had already met the mysterious fate of their brethren across Tamriel (see Marobar Sul's Ancient Tales of the Dwemer for a full discussion of the disappearance of the Dwarves). Certainly, the Kingdom of Vvardenfell remained strong at the time of the Nord Conquest.

The doughty Dwarves, secure in their underground fastnesses and united into one polity, were a far more formidable foe than the divided and feuding Dark Elven clans, and remained independent when the rest of Morrowind fell to the Nords.

The volcano first erupted in 1E 668; this date, at least, is well attested in the written record. The eruption is still recalled in the tales of numerous peoples - to the Nords it was "The Year of Winter in Summer", to the khajiit, "Sun's Death"."

From this account we can see that many cultures of Tamriel recall the time that Vvardenfell first erupted in 1E668.

Before that time, the land of Resdayn was certainly not the ashen wasteland that it is now.

This is further supported by the published work of my learned colleague Hasphat Antabolis, as I am sure he will confirm. Antabolis once stated that from his own studies of the earliest extant human records;

"I found ancient maps which showed no island in the north of modern Morrowind -- just a region labeled "Dwemereth" which encompassed the island of Vvardenfell as we know it as well as a rather wide swath of what is now the mainland.

Indeed, as best as could be made out from the rather crude map, the coastline once extended some distance further north than Vvardenfell does now."

I would say that this supports the view that the first major eruption of Vvardenfell contributed to the destruction of a large portion of the heartland of Resdayn and did not take place until the Dwemeri people were well established.

Moreover Vehk, we learn from excerpts from your own Book of Hours that certain events accompany a break of the Sideways-Wheel.

I introduce into evidence before the Court, the followig excerpt from Vehk's own teachings;

"…Of special note is the Blue Star, which the Alesstics call 'Mnemoli', that runs through this part of the Aurbis every untime.

The psijiics hold it in much reverence, and many of their folk make pilgrimages to Veloth when it appears because a mountain there catches fire at its passing.

This mountain is reputed to be one of the last refuges of the Dwemer before they departed from this world…

...Like many of her siblings, Mnemoli is both confused and delighted with the Aurbis, and explores its five quarters as best she can without the help and regulation of worship, which are not needed (by which I mean, always there) during breakings of the sideways wheel…"

Here, you describe that the Star known as Menemoli will chart a passage close by a specified mountain "every untime". That is to say that during a break in the Dragon, Mnemoli has the freedom to roam the Aurbis.

One consequence of her close passage to the mountain, that is obviously Vvardenfell, is that it "catches fire". This is clearly a thinly veiled reference to Vvardenfell erupting as a consequence of a break in the Dragon.

You have already testified Vehk that your own actions caused such a Dragon break. I submit that the Break you caused through misuse of the Heart of Lorkhan to become a god was instumental in the first eruption of the Vvardenfell volcano.

You disturbed the powers within the Heart and those powers swelled up and broke out upon the resting place of the Heart, causing Resdayn to become the ashen wasteland it is now.

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The key figures in the pantheon had outgrown their usefulness.

So say you.

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The needs that necessitated the change from Chimer to Dunmer were new measures of defense against the infidel, cultural reforms in house, vault, and social services, and the spiritual advancement of the people and their priests.

Very vague Master Vehk. Perhaps you would care to elucidate?

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Without the misuse of the Heart of the Missing God, you would not have existed as Vivec of ALMSIVI. The subsequent timelessness of the spiritual needs of a people who also would not have existed in their present state but for your mortal act, are entirely irrelevant.
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If you believe this to be incorrect then, please, convince us otherwise.

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I ask the court, without facetious intent, to rephrase this as a question I can understand, and beg their indulgence to the unprofound.

Very well then. You have stated..

"And so from their basis did we spring, called to heaven by violence, our people throwing our mantles to us across stars, and across time, and magic and dream, and here we remain."

Here, you suggest that your godly mantle, and by this I understand you to mean your people's spiritual mandate, was gifted to you across the displacement between the worlds that existed 'before' and 'after' your ascent to godhood.

But this is a nonsense. Indeed, there was a cause and effect in the creation of your relationship with the Dunmer and it was not instigated by the Dunmer people. It was instigated by your mortal actions.

The people were changed to fit your need as a god not the other way around as you would apparently have this Court believe. Had you not tampered with the Heart of Lorkhan, do you suppose that the Chimer would have transformed themselves?

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Dean of The Theoretical Whirling School Of Vivec

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I. It is the function of the Tribunal, or Judges, to create and enforce the Rules of Court, and to ultimately hold
the final say on the Verdict.
i. The Tribunal may alter the Rules of Court at any time during the Trial, if they deem it appropriate.
ii. While within the confines of the Court, the authority of the Tribunal is absolute.
iii. The appointed Tribunal for this Trial are as follows:
Mercy - Allerleirauh, Nordic Adventuress and Lady of Grace
Mystery - Hasphat Antabolis, Imperial Scholar and Warrior
Mastery - Nigedo, Dunmeri Master of the Whirling School

II. It is the function of the High Council, or Those Assembled and Appointed, to engage in debate, to throw
Stones and Verses, and attempt to influence the Tribunal and its decisions.
i. For the purposes of this Court, each Council member may cast One Stone at Vehk before he will
allow himself to retaliate.
ii. The High Council for this Trial are we, the gathered masses - scholars, rogues, and villains all.

III. The Accused, known as the god-king Vivec, or Vehk, must prove or win by words his innocence.